Gods and Demons: The Politics of Disgust

“Wouldn’t you love to see one of these NFL owners when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get that son of a b**ch off the field right now? He’s fired. He’s fired!” ~ Donald Trump

 “This may be one of the most vile and disgusting things that president Trump has ever said in a very long and impressive list of vile and disgusting things,”
~ Marc Lamont Hill


I’ve been thinking a lot about disgust these past few months. Not physical disgust, making you crinkle up your nose and say, “ewwh!;” but moral disgust, that toxic feeling that comes when we experience words, actions, or beliefs and the people who espouse them as morally tainted, stupid, evil, insane, or…..deplorable.

In our politically-divided country, disgust is increasingly what we feel for “the other side.” We can’t understand how “those people” can believe and feel as they do; they are so incomprehensible to us that they become “other,” the out-group to our own identified in-group. They must be bad, probably irredeemable. We want nothing to do with them. We will stay in our own, lovely echo-chambers, thank you very much.

Disgust erodes communication because, in the throes of disgust, we no longer think of the other as quite completely human, and therefore, not truly worthy of being heard and understood; perhaps, unconsciously, not quite worthy of kindness. Psychologists and sociologists call this infrahumanization – perceiving the out-group to be less human.

Disgust is different from anger. Take a married couple. Classic research from the psychologist John Gottman shows that to predict which marriages last and which end in divorce, the amount and intensity of fighting does not predict very well. If you can discuss and resolve expressed anger, fighting can actually strengthen a relationship. But, the death knell of a marriage is when partners express contempt and disgust for one other. Once you’ve gotten to disgust, there is little room for kindness, little room for problem solving and compromise, and you can only rarely turn back and save the relationship.

The United States is like a married couple in the throes of contempt and disgust for one another. And we are very close to a divorce.

This is especially distressing because at this historical moment in time, we need as many opportunities as possible to come together, heal, and solve problems as a nation.

A few weeks ago, I had a conversation that influenced my thinking about this very strongly. For the purposes of respecting a private conversation, I am fictionalizing some contextual details. I have a friend, with whom I’ve always felt I share extremely similar political and social views. But tonight was different. Charlottesville had just happened. As a reminder of events – the White Nationalist “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia was organized to protest the removal of confederate monuments. The event ended tragically in the murder of a counter-protester, Heather Heyer, by a White Nationalist who plowed his car into a crowd. The subsequent eruption over Trump’s response, citing fault on “both sides” was still the leading news. Two prominent neo-Nazi forums, Stormfront and the Daily Stormer, had been digital hubs for organizing the rally. Shortly following the event, their domain support was pulled (by Network Solutions and Google, respectively) for violating terms of service by inciting violence.

As we talked about the tragedy of Charlottesville, I questioned whether the late-in-coming shutting down of these White Nationalist websites was handled strategically enough. While I believe these domain hosts should never have hosted the hate groups in the first place, I also wondered about it from a psychological perspective. Insular groups like Neo-Nazis become more cohesive as their underdog/outsider status is reinforced through perceived persecution. Because they were allowed to thrive for so long, shutting them down “suddenly” probably just vindicated their “us versus them” view of the world. I didn’t have a solution, but was thinking out loud about how to truly disrupt them rather than bolster their cohesion.

Then, almost before I realized what was happening, the discussion became a charged debate that went something like this: I questioned whether neo-Nazi websites should have been shut down the way they were; my friend counter-argued that not doing so would allow hate speech, undeterred; moreover, if we give white supremacists a voice, we are helping them point a figurative and literal “gun to the face” towards people of color and other targets of their hate on a daily basis. I agreed, but argued that freedom of speech is a very sharp double-edged sword, and we need to take a step back and strategically rethink our approach rather than reacting with our gut to just shut it all down and make it go away. I pointed out that the way we’ve been doing this so far hasn’t worked very well, and indeed, seems to have emboldened racists. My friend suggested that I was missing important points about the nature of racism, reminding me of power dynamics and who is allowed a “voice” in our society. I was stunned and found myself repeatedly thinking, “Does he think I don’t understand that? Does he think I’m a racist?”

And here, perhaps, is one of the most important points about this experience – my description of our discussion is only my perception of what my friend thought, because 30 minutes in, I had the distinct impression that we no longer understood what the other was trying to say. I felt misinterpreted, and my friend might have felt the same because from conversations following that night, he viewed our exchange quite differently.

For the first time since the presidential campaign and election roller coaster started many months ago, I understood what Trump supporters must have felt when Hilary Clinton placed them in a “basket of deplorables” because I started to suspect that my friend found my opinions deplorable – I felt misunderstood, judged, and bewildered. I felt that my back was against a wall and nothing I could say, other than agreeing with all his points, would create common ground. I found myself expressing shock at some of the things he was saying, and certainly I was judgmental at times. Was this in some small way the beginning of disgust and misunderstanding among friends, even when (I still believe) our views and values are in reality so closely aligned? Did our disgust towards the “other side” distort our thinking such that we started to find the “other side” in each other?

Before and after the presidential election, Donald Trump used the word disgust a lot – referring to Hilary Clinton, Rosie O’Donnell, a lawyer taking a break to pump breast milk for her 3-month-old baby, Barney Frank, Madonna, the failure to repeal the Affordable Care Act, and the list goes on. Disgust has been levied right back at him continuously by countless commentators on all sides. This moral disgust is a perfect mirror of Trump-era U.S. politics: You are either for or against Donald Trump; and you were either for or against Hilary Clinton. It’s a Manichean battle between good and evil.

Evolutionary psychology has long argued that we evolved to experience disgust towards things that could make us sick (rotten meat) or harm us (poisonous plants), and that we then transformed this physical disgust into the moral and ethical domain, serving as an important basis for rules of conduct and civilized behavior. Moral disgust leads us to “expel” the offenders. We want nothing to do with these disgraceful human beings – they are reprehensible, beyond the pale, and beyond our ability to reach an understanding. They are not part of our group, our society, our tribe. They are outsiders or “those people.”

Let me say clearly that when we’re talking about racism, xenophobia, verbal or physical violence against others because of their gender, sexual orientation, religion, or because they are different from us, moral disgust, unequivocal condemnation, and clear action to counteract are necessary. When it comes to Neo-Nazis inciting violence, nothing short of disgust in is order. But the problem with disgust in normal political discourse is that when it takes center stage, there are no in-betweens. If we disagree, our views must be on opposite sides, with few bridges long enough to connect them. Moral disgust in a political discussion among friends is so toxic that it can twist what we perceive and how we communicate, breed misunderstanding, and place us in warring tribes even when we are of the same mind.

We must acknowledge that most of us have fully embraced disgust in our views about “the other side.” I see this in myself on a daily basis. But if we want to find new solutions, thinking about the political landscape as a battle between good and evil is simply too dangerous because this worldview only leaves room for gods and demons; it leaves little room for human beings that may, one day, be able to understand one other again.

6 thoughts on “Gods and Demons: The Politics of Disgust

  1. I understand this. It is the frustration we feel when we try to explain the disproportionate amount police that get off for shooting Black people with a conclusion of ‘No wrongdoing,’ ‘a justified shooting’ and ‘no charges filed’ to an out and out, ‘not guilty.’ How many bodies will it take? I try to explain that I deal with this country through the filter that Black males have to deal with it, and have been a victim of profiling at least, but thank God no violent encounters.

    Somehow it’s become an argument about anthems, flags, and disrespecting veterans, as if the military was a color-blind panacea that somehow had segregated units, and denied Black veterans promotions and medals as a matter of routine. Some have received their due as recently as the Obama administration. And given the recent episode at the Air Force Academy, whose veterans are we disrespecting, exactly?

    Reasoned, cogent debate involving courtesy as well as critical thinking is becoming a thing of the past. Extreme views are now expressed in extreme emotions, and everyone’s waiting for the ‘wrong’ side to shut up so they can get to their own point. It’s a relentless pressure, with relentless hypocrisy, double standards, and spin. I’m actually using social media less as a result. People have simply made up their minds, they’ll make an exception for ONE, but the rest are still all the same.

    I don’t like hate speech, but it’s always existed, and it’s not going to go away, even if you take it out of the public eye. Personally, I like to know where the mines are placed in the minefield. Avoiding them is easy enough, but I also think we’d be remiss in not blowing them up for those to follow.

    The country is not ready for an honest conversation that deals with a long, bloody history of creating a sense of ‘other,’ even among those who are similar. But the conversation needs to continue. Thanks for posting this.

    I hope you two stay friends even though you essentially disagree on how much to tolerate disagreeable ideas.


    1. Thank you for your thoughts and perspective! It truly does seem that we’re at a point where we have all taken a side and made up our minds, and discussion is no longer the goal. I think you put it so well when you wrote that my friend and I are essentially disagreeing on whether it’s useful to tolerate the disagreeable.


      1. The general consensus seems to be, ‘Don’t bother trying to change anyone’s mind.’ I’ve decided that’s not my goal, though if it happens, that’s not a bad thing. I will, however, not be silent about that which is important to me. I have two sons and a daughter growing up in a nation increasingly hostile to who they are racially, without bothering to know them personally. I think as their father, I’d be remiss in not doing so. I’m encouraged that young people are more engaged in the issues now. These times will run their course, and history will tell if the good outweighs the bad. In the meantime, we move forward, even if it’s slow. I appreciate the time you took to read and reply to my comment. My best to you and your friend.


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